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Eddie B 10:16 Wed Oct 18
NHS to ban surgeries on smokers and obese

... in Hertfordshire.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/17/nhs-provokes-fury-indefinite-surgery-ban-smokers-obese/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_androidshare_Apmjkb7GD7rG

he NHS will ban patients from surgery indefinitely unless they lose weight or quit smoking, under controversial plans drawn up in Hertfordshire.

The restrictions - thought to be the most extreme yet to be introduced by health services - immediately came under attack from the Royal College of Surgeons.

Its vice president called for an “urgent rethink” of policies which he said were “discriminatory” and went against the fundamental principles of the NHS.

Takashi Miike 10:21 Wed Oct 18
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what's obese? the BMI is a fucking joke

side effect 10:23 Wed Oct 18
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(nt)

side effect 10:28 Wed Oct 18
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A bit like slimming world telling clients theyou have lost 6 pounds but or what. It won't be fat. It will be lean muscle tissue which is the best fat burner and water.

Bmi is not an accurate way and outdated.

Vexed 10:31 Wed Oct 18
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Good. They should do it everywhere. They should also withhold treatment for people that vape. Just because it's fucking pathetic.

Dwight Van Mann 10:34 Wed Oct 18
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Ban ops and treatments for respiratory diseases for cunts who live in mouldy, damp caravans in Kent - you'd be well fucked Vexed.

Muggy Bonehead III 10:56 Wed Oct 18
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Where does the tax raised on cigarettes go, if not on health care for smokers?

The amount of extra tax the average smoker pays would be enough to cover quite good private health care.

Lee Trundle 11:03 Wed Oct 18
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What's to stop a smoker from saying he's a non-smoker to get the operation?

zebthecat 11:15 Wed Oct 18
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BMI is a stupid measure.
Read an article a while ago that every member of the England rugby squad is either obese or morbidly obese using BMI as a measure (although a couple of the props are pretty chunky)

Infidel 11:22 Wed Oct 18
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This is the wrong solution to what is actually a very good question, namely how to penalise people who make disastrous lifestyle choices.

As a libertarian I have no problem with people choosing to abuse themselves. It's a free country and you should be at liberty to do whatever you want with your own body. If you want to live on Big Mac and fries or smoke 40 Woodbines a day, knock yourself out.

But there is a problem when those choices start to impact the rest of society. Clogging up the NHS with all the health problems associated with unhealthy lifestyles is a drain on the rest of us.

The right solution is to impose charges on fat people and smokers. Not necessarily the whole cost of the treatment but enough to make a serious disincentive and force them to make sacrifices.

They have the money after all, because cigarettes are expensive and so is overeating so there is an easy source of cash to cover the charges.

As I have said before on here, everyone should pay something when they use the NHS, even if it's £10 per visit, because it cuts down frivolous use of the health service. But the charge should be a lot more for those who choose to make themselves unwell by smoking or over eating.

Your mum 11:29 Wed Oct 18
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"As a libertarian"

You misspelled cunt.

Hermit Road 11:31 Wed Oct 18
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We would be a much healthier nation if the NHS was abolished. The best way to encourage people to lo9k after their health is by establishing a link between their health and their pocket. If I had to pay insurance, and my insurance costs were lowered by healthy living and a yearly check up, then I’d be more likely to live healthily and have a yearly check up. I probably wouldn’t put off that finger up the arse test that we men always steer clear of.

That’s my view anyway.

Also, for people who genuinely couldn’t afford it, the state would have much more resources to give them a higher quality of care than they currently enjoy.

Infidel 11:34 Wed Oct 18
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Your mum

Excuse me?

Do you have another way of spelling 'libertarian'?

madeeasy 11:36 Wed Oct 18
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The NHS has seemed to be having a bit of PR at the moment.

My old man has just been in hospital for 4 weeks and came out at the weekend and the care and treatment he has received has been excellent. My son was in for 3 months a couple of years back and again quite excellent the care he got.

I see the smokers outside every day and my mum was moaning about the fact they are patients yet don't care about themselves so why should they get treatment the same as everyone else.

My point i said was that everyone dies of something and surely if a smoker dies early then its cheaper on drugs in their older age and they would have paid tax on their cigarettes, which is quite a lot, and surely they have paid their way more than a non smoker?

I am a non smoker.

Anyway i don't have a view about obese or smokers getting treatment or not but i fail to see how they can say they are not going to operate. who decides if someone is obese. the BMI arguments i agree about as it is a shit way to measure a persons obeseness.

I just think we are very lucky to have the NHS

Westside 11:37 Wed Oct 18
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But the charge should be a lot more for those who choose to make themselves unwell by smoking or over eating.

But they already do, with the colossal amount of duty and VAT on tobacco and booze. There's also VAT on confectionery, sugary drinks, take away food etc.

To say nothing of the corporation tax and payroll taxes, that companies who make those products pay.

madeeasy 11:55 Wed Oct 18
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Westside plus those companies are allowed to have their profit sent overseas thus lowering the tax they pay here.

I wonder when the backlash will actually happen.

We have seen rumblings against the regime and their ways but one day it will break and change.

Northern Sold 11:56 Wed Oct 18
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So that's basically the whole country out apart from Russell Brand and gavros then... the fucking skinny jeans wearing cunts

the coming of gary 12:00 Wed Oct 18
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smokers and obese die young and dont suck out 30 years of state pension, or expensive care in their nineties

mashed in maryland 12:10 Wed Oct 18
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First time in my entire life I've agreed with Vexed. Probably be the last. Hopefully.


Fucking baffling that it's considered controversial these days to associate being healthy with err... being healthy, and expect people to look after themselves.

riosleftsock 12:10 Wed Oct 18
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Children born of parents who are first cousins should also not be treated by the NHS, lifestyle choice known to lead to complicated, expensive medical treatment.

People should not be allowed into the UK if they are attempting to migrate from countries where there are known high levels of Aids, TB etc wthout having medical screening.

Infidel 12:21 Wed Oct 18
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madeeasy

I'm sorry but that's just ignorance of the highest order.

Let me put it this way: J K Rowling's Harry Potter books have sold millions of copies all over the world. The HP franchise is a goldmine.

No matter where the books are sold the royalties flow back to Ms Rowling and she pays taxes to HMRC on the vast profits she makes.

I haven't noticed you jumping up and down about the injustice to taxpayers in the US, France, Germany and elsewhere about taxes being collected in the UK when the actual book sales take place in those countries.

The taxes are paid in the UK because the intellectual property - the bit that makes Harry Potter books valuable - resides in the UK with Ms Rowling.

It's exactly the same with Starbucks. Just as the paper Harry Potter books are printed on doesn't add any real value, so the actual coffee served up by Starbucks baristas is almost irrelevant.

Starbucks is a branded cafe 'concept', which you may love or hate as you prefer, but either way the intellectual property resides in the US. That's why it is absolutely right that corporation taxes are paid there and not where the coffee is sold.

That said there are some aggressive tax practices where the IP has been created in one tax jurisdiction and then moved to another one to benefit from lower taxes. IKEA for example isn't really Swedish at all. The owners moved the IP to Lichtenstein some years ago, so when you buy a flat pack cupboard at your local IKEA it generates royalties which are taxed in Lichtenstein.

Of course the IKEA owners didn't choose Lichtenstein by throwing a dart at a map of Europe. They located it there precisely because they pay little or no tax whereas in communist Sweden income taxes are almost 70% and taxes on everything else are astronomical.

Every country has at its disposal a quick and easy way to attract lots of companies in to domicile themselves there: cut corporation tax. Or better still, abolish it altogether.

High corporation taxes are a choice, not an obligation, and I have no sympathy for countries bleating about companies off shoring whilst maintaining high CT rates. Just cut them and the businesses will all come back.

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